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Post by Lucas Rieter (Owner) on Sept 24, 2017 11:39:45 GMT -6
I'm sorry people.
If you kneel during the U.S. anthem you're a fucking idiot.
Period. That isn't a place to make a political statement. Who cares? It's the rich black people that are kneeling down. And the white working people that pay the tickets.
Things might swing the other way if people don't get their shit together. I just don't get it. It doesn't make a difference. Although it is highly disrespectful.
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Post by Chaos Kid on Sept 24, 2017 11:42:18 GMT -6
As I'm English I probably dont know what this is all about, any one can fill me in on whats happening?
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 24, 2017 11:57:41 GMT -6
I think it was to do with treatment of the black community in america. If I'm right, Colin kaepernick of the 49ers decided not to stand for the national anthem and a lot of black athletes followed suit
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Post by Lucas Rieter (Owner) on Sept 24, 2017 12:42:25 GMT -6
I think it was to do with treatment of the black community in america. If I'm right, Colin kaepernick of the 49ers decided not to stand for the national anthem and a lot of black athletes followed suit Basically this sums it up. He started it last year. Now the far lefts are using it as a stage to act on some "important" matter when there really isn't one. Basically it is rich black people kneeling in disrespect for our country because black lives matter. While the paying white person has to tolerate and deal with it. Make sense? I didn't think so...
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 24, 2017 12:49:58 GMT -6
I don't think sports are the place to air political beliefs anyway. That's not what they're paid to do.
It would be like me telling people at work what I do and don't agree with. I'd be fired
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Post by Jack Diamond on Sept 24, 2017 15:02:00 GMT -6
I'm not usually one to talk publicly about politics but I'll do so here.
So the backstory for those that aren't familiar. America does and has had a problem with racial inequality forever. This isn't really a political thing (in the sense of being conservative or liberal, Republican or Democratic) but a social problem in all walks of life here in the States.
Most of it stems from the Police vs Blacks struggle that is very real (I have personally witnessed it first hand with relatives who are bi-racial)
So over the last couple years there have been instances where a black life was taken by the police. Some were seen as justifiable, some were not. In any event, we are talking about humans losing their life here which in my opinion is just not acceptable.
So the initial protest by Kaepernick was a way for him to bring this topic to the view of millions (And it absolutely worked as we are talking about this well over a year after it first started)
Me, personally, it's kind of silly this has become a big issue. I watch the Nfl every week. This kneeling issue does not make the sport any less enjoyable (and I would bet that with real nfl fans, it doesn't stop them either)
What it does though is create even more divisiveness especially when our President calls those players "sons of bitches" and say they should be fired.
See, here is the thing... I believe that when you are present for the national anthem that you SHOULD stand and show respect for what it means, but when one lyric in the anthem is "home of the free" people have to understand that every citizen here (whether they are rich or poor, athlete or blue collar workers) has the right to peacefully protest in any way they feel. So I have no problem with the kneeling.
I would like to point out though, that we shouldn't make this a race thing... plenty white players have taken a knee just like plenty hard working black Americans buy tickets to games as well. Let's stay away from painting thing as black vs white in areas that it shouldn't be.
Sorry for the long post:)
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 24, 2017 15:59:51 GMT -6
I like that post Jack. I haven't witnessed any of the issues that have raised this.
As someone who is as far removed from the situation as possible, I don't have too much of an opinion on it other than is at work the right place to protest? I mean they have other avenues to make their views known, surely being at a game only creates more problems than it solves? I know if I did that kind of thing at work I'd get fired.
Not looking to start fights here, I know how patriotic America is on the whole and your national anthem means a lot to you. Though we get annoyed when our footballers don't sing along to ours lol.
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Post by Chaos Kid on Sept 24, 2017 16:04:36 GMT -6
You get annoyed when footballer dont sing along, I dont as long as they stand there and dont do anything stupid during the anthem, I think its possible that some people dont like to sing along, but listen to other sing, and have a moment of thought. However that a diversion from the kneeing aspect, Now I heard that Trump is wanting guys that are kneeing to be fired, at a guess that is probably adding fuel to the fire, am i right in thinking that, I'm sorry but not a great fan of American football so tell me if im wrong
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Post by Jack Diamond on Sept 24, 2017 16:12:06 GMT -6
Yeah you both are right. There are better avenues for those players to protest than during the game and its my opinion that it's more about the attention those players get now than the actual reason for the protest.
And yes Chaos, I feel like having Trump mention it just adds fuel to the fire and opens up a can of worms, so to speak. Befo 2009 the opposing team's would stay in the locker room until after the anthem...I kind of wish they still did this
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Post by Bobby Barratt on Sept 24, 2017 16:16:29 GMT -6
I can't help but think it could put a sour note on the game for fans
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Post by Chaos Kid on Sept 24, 2017 16:25:07 GMT -6
you just wonder how is this going to end, now the president is involved, I know its like a national pastime over there. Probably going to get worse before its gets better, did I hear right that Trump was blaming the kneeing for the poor attendances and poor games, which is a strange thing to say
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2017 17:31:15 GMT -6
Well personally I refuse to watch any team that allows their players to disrespect the people who gave their lives so they can get paid millions to play a kids game as for the race thing it's stupid they run around yelling and acting stupid because a black criminal got shot by a white cop that was doing his job but they never yell and act stupid when a white criminal gets shot by a black cop or they want to protest that's what they call their stealing and destroying property and it's all because over a 100 years ago someone was a slave but if you were smart you would realize everyone in the world has had someone in their family as a slave you just have to go back far enough to find it. I agree with the president fire the disrespectful players whether it be black or white I'm not racist or anything I just hate stupid people Okay thats all I will say
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Post by "Scorpion" Steve Dackle on Sept 30, 2017 6:58:08 GMT -6
Here is the thing. I am a retired Marine. I fought for my country. If some jackass wants to kneel or sit or stay in the locker room during the anthem, so be it. It is their right. There is nothing wrong with someone voicing their opinions. It should not matter their color, social status, job, or income. If they want to do that, so be it. If people want to boycott the league and ask directv for refunds on their Sunday ticket, go for it. The athletes should be allowed to do what is right, or what they feel is right, in their hearts. The people making a big deal out of this, including my president, are either doing it for attention, are misinformed, or are looking for something to complain about.
Is it disrespectful? Perhaps. This form of protest is nothing new. When people start standing on the flag, kneeling during taps, or openly bashing the country, that's a different thing. The same rhetoric came up during the Olympics in the 80's when the track and field athletes wore black gloves and stood atop the podium.
The NBA fined a suspended a player in 2003 for this. This is a different world now than it was 14 years ago. Whether we want to or not, and whether we want to believe it or not, many youths of all colors look up to football players. If they, as public citizens, decide to make a stand to try and effect social and political change in this country, they are merely doing exactly what our forefathers tried to do some 300+ years ago.
This is their right. Just like it is the right of the KKK, the Westboro Baptist Church, the Black Panthers, the Crips, the Bloods, the Latin Kings, and the like, to express themselves. While we may not agree with it, while we all may hate and despise the actions of anyone who we disagree with, our country was founded on the fact that we could make those outlandish and farcical opinions.
The day we censor anyone, athlete, hate mongerer, or anyone else, and the day we force them to do something is the day we lose the very values and rights millions have fought and died for long before any of us were brought onto this Earth. Let them kneel, or sit, or whatever during the anthem. In the end, it does not affect any of my life. It just makes me shake my head and wait for kickoff.
This needs to stop being a sports story, and more of a human interest story. What I do know is that more people have talked about social change and racial equality now, and with less violence, since ever. This may not work, but at least people are talking.
(sorry for the length)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 10:43:07 GMT -6
It may not make a difference but they need to be fined or fired it is against league rules to do that it states in the league rules that all players must be on the field standing for the national anthem with that being said they knew it before they signed a contract to play they are not doing their job or following the rules of their job and should be penalized
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Post by "Scorpion" Steve Dackle on Sept 30, 2017 11:03:58 GMT -6
I don't know if it is in the rules though. Up until 2009 (could have been 1999, I heard it on ESPN a few mornings ago), it was entirely optional if teams wanted to be on the field for the anthem or not. If they are violating the rules, then yeah do whatever. But the NFL has not faired well in iffy punishments. The worst thing that could happen would be for someone to get suspended and it get drug through federal court.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 11:06:48 GMT -6
Well you have to remember most states have laws you can be fired for anything fire them I feel for one they get too much money to play a kids game anyways and should be doing their job not bringing stupid bull crap into the game go out there do your job and then go kneel all they want
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Post by Dylan Black on Oct 17, 2017 20:56:05 GMT -6
Kneeling is better then sitting.
You know who got him to kneel? Nate Boyer, a former Green Beret. You know why he told him to kneel? Because Soldiers take a knee in front of a fallen brother's grave, to show respect. (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/heres-how-nate-boyer-got-colin-kaepernick-to-go-from-sitting-to-kneeling/)
As an aspiring military kid, I gotta agree with Steve. It is their right to sit, stand, kneel, whatever. So long as they don't desecrate the flag, I really don't care. I don't even care for football honestly. Is it disrespectful to kneel or sit? In my opinion, yes. Less so kneeling than sitting. But again, they have that right. The day we try to take away those rights is the day we're fucked. Just my 2 cents
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